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May 21, 2003 [feather]
More on minority graduation

More on minority graduation:

USC's official commencement ceremonies were held on May 16. The night before, more than 180 seniors participated in the school's 25th annual Chicano and Latino graduation. Parts of the ceremony were in Spanish, parts in English. There were traditional dances performed by dancers in ceremonial dress. There was also a Cultural Staff covered with indigenous symbols; it was carried by a member of the Latino Honor Society in order to recognize her leadership and example. USC also held a black graduation last week.

UC Berkeley's African Studies department held its own graduation ceremony on May 17. The commencement speaker was none other than Cynthia McKinney. Here is her speech in full:


Congratulations proud young graduates!

You have accomplished an important milestone in your lives. Important for who you are and where you are.

You are young, gifted, and black. And you are graduates of The University of California at Berkeley--America's campus--with a legacy of informed action and deliberate dissent.

I want to ask each of you today to consider the current state of America. Under President Bush the US has turned its back on the United Nations and the entire international community and has waged war in Afghanistan and Iraq; more potential conflicts are threatened with nations like Iran, Syria, North Korea, and even China. Here at home, unemployment is rising, our economy is on its knees, and our national debt is threatening to reach unprecedented levels. The word "deflation" is whispered by many economists.

In better days students graduated from college practically debt-free. No longer.

More families than ever before try to relieve the mounting pressure by depleting their savings and becoming more in debt. Yet, the President advocates more tax cuts, not for poor America, but for the rich.

Only this week we learn that in this country one million black children now live in poverty and that one million black men and women are in prison. Every night on the streets of America, over a quarter of a million veterans sleep as our forgotten homeless. That's the thanks of a grateful nation.

Special interests have taken control of our nation's capital and are perverting it from the noble traditions of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Kennedy, and instead are using our precious national resources for personal profit and personal needs.

In 1953 Dwight Eisenhower, warned of failing to address the pressing social needs of the nation in deference to an uncontrolled arms build up. He said:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron."

You, here today, graduate from an institution with a long and noble history of fighting to protect the interests of our nation.

In the early 1930s and '40s the issues that sparked Berkeley's activism ranged from labor rights and the Spanish Civil War to the draft. In the halcyon days of the '60s and '70s the issues ranged from the right, itself, to dissent on campus to the Vietnam War.

Whether the issues were near or far, civil rights at home or human rights abroad, we, who lived in other parts of the country where such activism couldn't easily be expressed, could count on you at Berkeley to be there, to speak for us. And sometimes even to think for us.

Above all, your graduation from Berkeley is a signal to everyone around the world, that more than anything else, you can think and are prepared to fight for what is right.

And so, no matter what you do or where you go in life, let no one deny you the right to think for yourself.

And no wonder. In the face of the corporate media package that is presented to us as "news," it is now imperative that you learn to see the invisible, hear the unspoken, and read the unwritten.

Or else, you will not know the truth.

Only this week we've learned from the BBC News that the entire "Saving Private Lynch in Iraq" episode was staged by the US military. On advice from PR spinmeisters, the Pentagon ignored efforts by Iraqi doctors to return Private Lynch in an Iraqi ambulance. Instead, according to the BBC, the Pentagon fired on the ambulance so they could then stage a rescue and stage a firefight at the hospital and remove Private Lynch. This was all done to galvanize the American people to support the war. If this BBC revelation is true, it shows us the extent to which our government will lie to us.

But we should understand that the Bush Administration is not alone in deceiving us.

I'm a parent.

And today, I put myself in the place of all the parents, relatives, and friends who are in the audience today. I am proud of you. I am one of you. But let me quickly acknowledge that the achievements of these young people belong very much to your, too. For it is seldom that we accomplish anything significant in life, alone.

Parents, relatives, and friends, you gave birth to this moment, with your profound nurturing and unconditional love.

Forgive me if I shed a tear of joy myself. This day signals to me that hope is not over and with each one of you, a new day of opportunity dawns for all of us. And that my son--and all black America's sons--still have a chance to make it in our America.

It's a tough world out there. And America is a tough neighborhood too. You've got to be strong.

Our president tells us that we are now engaged in a war that will last for the rest of my life.

He says that for the next generation or more, we Americans must be prepared to fight any foe who is inclined to harm us. And for the Bush Administration, that means conflicts with some 60 nations of the world.

He says that we must be prepared to invoke this Bush Doctrine of preemptive strike and regime change whenever and wherever we need it. And his Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld tells us that our military must be prepared to seize foreign capitals and occupy them.

To accomplish this, according to the Administration, we will need a larger military. That military must have usable nuclear weapons and the billions it will take to deploy a national missile defense must be spent. In addition, some in the Administration insist that our military must control space and cyberspace and that advanced technologies be utilized for military applications.

The Bush Administration has a blueprint for the world that will be of their making. But as an American, it will be done with your blessing--and in your name.

For the first time since the founding of our country, our nation's foreign policy blueprint calls for global military domination--an "American Century."

Rebuilding America's Defenses, prepared by the Project for the New American Century, listed 27 people as having attended meetings or contributed papers in preparation of the report. Significantly, among them are six who have key positions in the George W. Bush Administration:

Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defense secretary at the Pentagon; John Bolton, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security; Eliot Cohen, Defense Policy Board; I. Lewis Libby, the vice president's chief of staff; and Dov Zakheim, chief financial officer for the Pentagon.

Upon a closer examination of the PNAC documents, it is clear that a shift in US behavior of unimagined proportions is taking place right before our very eyes.

John F. Kennedy had a similar choice before him. Either launch a first strike against a much smaller, poorer, neighboring country or negotiate a diplomatic resolution to the Cuban Missile Crisis. As we now know, JFK, advised by his brother Bobby, decided that America was not worthy of what he called a "Pearl Harbor in reverse." Bobby Kennedy felt that a first strike against Cuba was not consistent with American values. He said, "For 175 years, we have not been that kind of country."

In a subsequent speech at American University on June 10, 1963, President John Kennedy revealed his thinking on the place of the United States in the world and its role in preserving world peace. Not arrogant and flush with power from success in overcoming the Missile Crisis, he said, "What kind of peace do I mean and what kind of a peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war, not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace--the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living--and the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans, but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace in all time."

Even George Washington, over a century earlier, recommended that the United States conduct its foreign policy as "our interest, guided by our justice" directs. In his 1796 Farewell Address, offered specific advice to America and its conduct in international affairs. He cautioned against passionate attachments to foreign countries and warned against militarism. Yet the very priorities as outlined by the current advisors to our current President, go against the very cautions and concerns that both George Washington and John F. Kennedy expressed.

You no doubt are looking at the direction in which your lives will now turn. Grad school, starting a business, taking a year off to see the world, or your choice of jobs with companies and organizations big and small: all this lies before you.

But how can you navigate with conscience a terrain that is littered with the remains of those who sacrificed themselves before you, but who now seem like a distant memory?

In other words, how can you know the direction of the elders unless you are fully connected to them?

As you may know, I dedicated my time in Congress trying to understand and eliminate the fundamental causes of the disparities that plague black America. But of course, in order to eliminate them, it is first necessary to understand them.

So I asked fundamental questions about black America, America, Africa, and the world.

I wondered why it is that the African American community lacked strong and forceful leadership that could demand and negotiate on its behalf in the world of American politics. And why was it that people who thought like me had such a hard time and blacks who didn't care as much about our community seemed to rise and be propelled throughout the political system.

The answer to that question took me to the Counterintelligence program of the FBI and its aim to destroy, discredit, or otherwise neutralize black leadership in America. Now, those aren't my words, they are the words of the FBI. From there, It's just a short line to asking why Geronimo Pratt spent 27 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, rather than in the US Congress where he could have made a better America for all of us.

So I held a forum in the Congress on COINTELPRO and US political prisoners.

After finding a CIA document that actually mentions assassination and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., dated May 11, 1965, some 3 years before his murder, I held a forum in the Congress on The Murder of Martin Luther King, Jr.

I wondered why Africa seemed to be in turmoil, and so I began to investigate US involvement on the Continent. That led me to the murder of Patrice Lumumba as a model for the systematic destabilization of the Continent and the theft of its resources by a small brigand of outlaws who have legal and illegal weapons at their disposal to create so-called rebel groups that materialize from out of nowhere and have instant access to press conferences and international airwaves. So I held a forum in Congress: Covert Action in Africa, Smoking Gun in Washington, DC.

I wondered out loud why Tupac was murdered and why we don't have any clues as to who did it.

But understanding how the Black Panthers were targeted in their heyday, I wondered if the fact that Tupac's mom was a Black Panther and his father figure a black activist contributed to certain death threats against Tupac's life that were being investigated by the FBI. So I decided to have a Hip Hop event in Georgia and one in DC to explore these and other issues of Hip Hop as a political movement--infiltrated and cut short.

I wondered why it was that the statistics could reflect worsening conditions for black America and very few people actually know it. So I began to publicize the State of Black America.


* that the AIDS infection rate for black men is 5 times higher than for white men and 15 times higher for black women than for white women;

* that African Americans now account for 41% of all US AIDS cases;

* that despite the higher incidence of breast cancer for white women, black women actually die at a rate 69% higher that white women;

* that black women are at greater risk of dying from every pregnancy-related cause of death reported than white women;

* that the ratio of black men in prison to those in higher education is 4 to 1. And between 1980 and 1995, the increase in incarceration for black men was 20 times greater than their enrollments in colleges and universities.

Only this week, University of California regents went on record in opposition to fellow regent Ward Connerly's campaign to stop state and local agencies from collecting race data. How can Ward Connerly defend such a position in the face of these numbers?

And sadly, the majority of white Americans questioned in a Harvard University Washington Post survey found that in some cases, whites believed that blacks were actually better off than them.

Even more disappointing, some black people would have you and me be ashamed to talk about the true state of black America. And if we don't talk about it, who will we know about our conditions, and how will anyone who can help us know that we need help or even how to help?

And believe me, there are people who do want to help us.

So, given my desire to view these intractable problems and their solutions, it wasn't difficult for me to see that new legislation emanating from the White House would mean a significant debasement of our hard-earned civil rights and liberties.

And when the Armed Services Committee voted to support legislation that funded the War on Terrorism, but that also allowed US police and US military to work together, I had to vote no and let the American people know that we were drifting backwards toward the mistakes of COINTELPRO.

And finally, as I researched more and more of the facts surrounding September 11th, it was incomprehensible to me that an intelligence failure of such magnitude could result in no one in the Bush Administration either being punished or accepting responsibility for such a tragedy. Then I began to delve into the information, some of which has become known today. I learned from the Sydney Morning Herald, Ha'aretz, and even that much more was known about the tragic events of September 11, and that's when I asked the question "What did the Bush Administration know and when did it know it about the events of September 11th?"

And because of the voting debacle in Florida that robbed blacks and Latinos of their right to vote and have that vote counted, it was clear that this Administration had embarked on a path that constituted a fundamental shift of epic proportions and was doing it on a foundation of questionable and uncertain legitimacy.

I had no choice but to use publicly available information and hold this Administration accountable.

However, in my last election, Republicans recruited a black Republican to run in the Democratic Primary. 47,000 white Republicans then hijacked the Democratic Primary and voted in it instead of in their own Primary. Democrats and Blacks voted for me; whites and Republicans voted for my opponent.

My opponent now represents you in the United States Congress.

There's so much I haven't mentioned to you today. There's so much to know.

One thing we do know: This isn't the America of my mother and father.

My father was arrested in South Carolina, still in his Army uniform having just arrived from Europe at the end of World War II, for drinking water from the white water fountain. He and his buddies spent time in jail because they dared to test at home the freedom that they had just won for Europe.

Later, while pregnant with me, my mother was nearly beaten by a rural Georgia sheriff who brought a bicycle chain to teach the uppity black woman who would dare to ask to use the public restroom at the local gas station a lesson.

Luckily my father brought a gun to that fight and she used the restroom; the sheriff apologized for the misunderstanding, and my parents went on their way.

This is not that America.

But this is an America where not a single US Senator or Governor comes home to our community.

And where, in spite of Florida, important provisions of the Voting Rights Act expire in 2007.

And I will end with this: On page 60 of The Project for a New Century report, Rebuilding America's Defenses, the author writes:

"[A]dvanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

Now, I don't know what they meant by that bit of advice. But I do know that such research has been conducted already, according to news reports, in Israel and in apartheid South Africa. At home, I do know that the US Government has been sued by the son of Paul Robeson for Robeson's targeting by the CIA's MK Ultra Program; and the Tuskegee Study which for 40 years targeted black men who thought they were being treated by their government and who, instead, were being studied by it.

Steeped in the intergenerational dialog that allows us all to be students in wonderment of how much we can accomplish when we love one another, stand up for one another, defy conventional wisdom with one another. A new possibility can be created.

We've seen it happen before. From the Africans who passed through that portal of no return, to the Maroons who escaped slavery high in the Jamaican mountains, to the workers on the South American latifundias. Our story has been written by our resistance.

College students in Greensboro, North Carolina wrote the page on sit-ins at lunch counters across the South; they all contributed to the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

Young black children facing dogs and fire hoses began the chapter on harassment, threats, intimidation, and death; four little girls blown to bits in church don't even end that chapter; agitation for the right to vote contributed to the passage of the Voting Rights Act.

Just imagine what America would have been like if Sojourner Truth hadn't journeyed across America and told the truth!

Suppose Fannie Lou Hamer had gotten sick and tired of being sick and tired and just left the movement to someone else?

Who among you will step forward and continue the struggle against injustice?

And if no one here is willing to do it, what kind of America will you inherit?

The new America that is being made right now.

You, the young graduates of Berkeley, must see the struggle of your parents, the commitment of our fallen leaders, the principles of dissent that characterize your wonderful institution; don't allow individual suffering to be a stumbling block for doing what is right.

On December 3, 1963 Mario Savo, while speaking at the Free Speech Movement Sit-In here at UC Berkeley, said:

"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

Congratulations young graduates. Go out and make your impact on the world!


The comment board is open.

posted on May 21, 2003 10:53 AM








Comments:

How many "I"'s are there in her entire speech? And conspiracy theories in a commencement speech? Ugh.

Posted by: Michelle Y. at May 21, 2003 11:53 AM



Perhaps its just me but this speech puts new meaning to the word "rambling".

The good news people is this:

A. How many of you remember who gave the commencement speech at your college when you graduated?
B. If you remember who do you remember what was said?

Posted by: Steve at May 21, 2003 1:00 PM



There are blacks who want racial anger and hatred to triumph. It's the source of their income.

McKinney is one of them.

Why bother? I believe the voters rejected her. With that kind of rhetoric, I doubt that she will be elected to another office.

Posted by: Stephen at May 21, 2003 2:05 PM



I am shocked! Shocked to see incoherent commie rambling at Berkeley!

Posted by: Scipio at May 21, 2003 2:15 PM



What a relief she is no longer in Congress. Just as an example of her world view, she accepts the BBC report on Pvt. Lynch at face value, over the Pentagon's version. I don't know the actual events any more than she does, but judging by the other slanted or downright false reports on Iraq from the BBC, I'd say leaping on their version uncritically is mighty telling.

Posted by: Doug at May 21, 2003 2:38 PM



The content of the speech and that it was given a major university leaves me fairly depressed. The fact is every point that is made is done so by taking events and facts out of context. This is fine and is a traditional tactic of both the far left and the far right, but given her selection to speak at UC it tells me that these are considered mainstream views by the Black Studies department (alternatively McKinney and the black studies departments know these are lies but feel the end justifies the means).

As an acdemic I suspect that these views are consistent with what comes out of most black studies departments. Given this type of indoctrination its difficult to imagine anything but an increasingly racially polarized world. Of course on the positive side academia is usually (and in this case) hopefully irrelevant.

Is McKinney evil, stupid, or both?

Posted by: M at May 21, 2003 4:18 PM



"Given this type of indoctrination its difficult to imagine anything but an increasingly racially polarized world."

Everything is getting better. McKinney represents a tiny minority of black racists.

To elaborate on my post of yesterday, racial integration has been a total success in the world of work. Until recently, social integration has lagged behind. (Must point out that I think that people have the right to choose to interact with their own kind on a social basis. Most whites and most blacks do prefer to live with and socialize primarily with their own kind. Nothing wrong with this.)

I'm seeing the signs of social integration accelerating, and that's great. Everybody's tired of being ghetto-ized within their group. People just don't know how to expand their lives and their social groups. In just the past few years, I've noticed that black women have decided to take a good look at white men. Disatisfaction with the job ambitions and educational performance of many black men has really soured many black women. The result is all to the good. Black women are just about to stop cutting black men slack, and this will be good for both. Competition is always for the best.

The racial hustlers on campus are so far behind that they are laughable. Laugh at them. Ridicule them. That's the best way to cut the legs out from under them.

Posted by: Stephen at May 21, 2003 4:35 PM



"And where, in spite of Florida, important provisions of the Voting Rights Act expire in 2007."

McKinney's speech promoted an urban legend that has been around for several years now (it's even listed on snopes.com). The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was designed to *enforce* the protections guaranteed in the 15th amendment:

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Several Southern states were routinely in violation of the 15th amendment (shocker, I know). Congress passed and Johnson signed the VRA in order to correct almost 100 years of constitutional violations by the Southern states. McKinney and others have continually promoted the "loss" of voting rights for African-Americans in the face of all contrary evidence. VRA comes up for renewal in 2007 and it remains to be seen if the administration feels it necessary to keep tabs on the actions of some of our states; the ratification of the 15th amendment in 1870 guaranteed the right to vote for African-Americans and other minorities and is not affected by the status of the VRA.

Also, it has been shown that the BBC story on Pfc. Lynch is a pack of lies and insinuations. The author was interviewed by CNN and admitted that he does not think the rescue was staged.

Ya gotta wonder if McKinney actually reads the news.

Posted by: beckyj at May 21, 2003 4:56 PM



So, Tupac was killed by the CIA because his mother was in the Black Panther's in the 1960s.

Bush knew about 9/11 and did nothing about it.

And no doubt, like Baraka, she no doubt believes that there were no Israelis (or Jews depending on how you like your blood libel) in the World Trade Center that day.

I applaud Erin for posting the sppeect but I don't think the speech or McKinney warrants much in the way of response. Like George Wallace, I suspect McKinney thrives on the vociferous attacks as a means of establishing her credentials. Why give her the oxygen.

Posted by: stolypin at May 21, 2003 5:05 PM



Thank you Lord for placing me that day where I didn't have to sit through that speech.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive at May 21, 2003 5:18 PM



In three weeks Iím giving the commencement address at a small, private secondary school. Were I to pull a stunt like that, Iíd be in deep, deep water, Iím sure. OTOH, Iím sincerely hoping (and expecting) that my audience isnít about to listen to a damn thing I say: I assume Cynthiaís audience was similarly disposed.

Posted by: Ellie at May 21, 2003 6:05 PM



Whether the issues were near or far, civil rights at home or human rights abroad, we, who lived in other parts of the country where such activism couldn't easily be expressed, could count on you at Berkeley to be there, to speak for us. And sometimes even to think for us.

Yes, independent thought is so overrated. Why think for yourself when Berkley can think for you?

Posted by: Jeff at May 21, 2003 7:01 PM



Great posts everyone--I enjoyed reading them and McKinney's speech quite a bit.

A few questions:


  1. If you had to bet on who had the higher truth-telling ratio over the last forty years, the BBC or the Pentagon, who would you pick? Moi, I'd go with McNamara, Weinberger, and Rumsfeld everytime over the nameless minions at a socialist information ministry.
  2. It was actually the Sudanese who were developing genotypic biological warfare at their "aspirin" plant; and, if we have to balance the loss of tens of thousands of Sudanese lives vs. a killer bug wiping out all of Israel and North America, I for one can live with it. Possibly Clinton's only worthy achievement. Wonder why McKinney didn't mention it?
  3. McKinney's remarks--and "minority" graduations in general--are more than sufficient reason to begin reexamining and perhaps rolling back some of the so-called "accomplishments" of the subversive 60s civil rights movements. Take voting, for example. No one should have the right to vote if he believes the type of paranoid garbage that McKinney was speaking here. Voting should only be extended to those who can answer objective, balanced questions about American political history; and, if the results on such tests mirror those of the standardized admissions tests, tant la mieux pour moi.

Posted by: Dr Let Em Lo at May 21, 2003 7:31 PM



Ah, the masturbatory school of sarcasm is back in session. Nap time seems so short when the mewling begins anew. Sadly, when it comes to sarcasm and self-referential narcissism, you're not half the man IPO was.

1. As to the BBC, it appears to me the comment in question challenged the uncritical acceptance of the BBC version of events by McKinney and did not accept blindly the Pentagon version.
2. As to the Sudan, your sarcasm to substance ratio is so high that it obscures whatever point you were trying to make. Needless to say, the aspirin factory bombing may have been the single most despicable act committed during the Clinton years. I do not recall anyone on this board defending that action and your decision to raise it seems merely designed to obscure and deflect.

Your question is, even if unintentionally, valid - why didn't McKinney mention it in her speech or during her years in Congress? Could it be that the defense of Clinton from the fascists of the right was a higher priority than the lives of a few hundred Africans in the Sudan? (Of course your oblique reference to Israel there does provide a glimpse into a dark little hole occupied these days by that new hybrid of junior league leftist that combines the political views of Marcuse with the social views of Wagner.)

3. Again, your tone obscures your attempted meaning. I do not recall any suggestion by the white racist elitist fascists that dominate this board that suggest any retrenchment in voting rights. I cannot begin to comprehend how any such retrenchment could take place whether in Alabama or Vermont. On the other hand - raising the specter of such retrenchment does serve a useful political purpose.

It would be nice to hear you defend the speech or the segregation of campuses. I doubt that your failure to attempt to defend her comments proves that such a defense is not possible. It does lead one to question whether you are up to the task or not. I won’t hold my breath.

Posted by: stolypin at May 21, 2003 8:21 PM



Hey,Cynthia,who killed Biggie Smalls?

Posted by: scott at May 21, 2003 9:18 PM



Stolypin, "white racist elitist fascists that dominate this board?"

I'm sure you meant "white heterosexist racist elitist fascists," or is that just redundant? Don't think you should leave out the hetero element. I'm a macho man and I don't want anybody to forget it.

By the way, have you been watching "The Land of the Tsars" stuff on (I think) The History Channel? The ads seems to indicate that the Tsars were the worst scourge Russia ever experienced. What about the Bolsheviki? What about Stalin? Wasn't the reign of the Tsars positively idyllic in comparison?

Posted by: Stephen at May 21, 2003 9:47 PM



Stephen - how could we forget?
I didn't mean to exclude macho men from the list. As punishment I will play my Village People 8-track on the way home tonight. Too bad though - I had plans for listening to Abba's Greatest Hits.

As to the Tsars v. Lenin and his progeny . . . . 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another imho.

On a trip to Kiev not too long ago my cousing wanted to find our ancestral slum so he could kiss the fetid pogrom-filled ground that compelled my grandfather to flea to America. But I digress.

The numbers killed in the 20th century outstrip those of previous rulers (and the whole idea of the GUlag is novel) but I might attribute that in part to technological advances in instruments and procedures of death which no doubt Ivan/Catherine etc. might have used if they had them.

Cheers.

Posted by: stolypin at May 21, 2003 10:05 PM



Oh. My. G-D! I thought she was going to go on forever. I wore out the callus on my right mouse finger, clicking to find the bottom of her nonsense.

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at May 21, 2003 10:21 PM



Just a point of fact concerning the supposed Sudanese "aspirin" factory. I can't call it up on the spot, but two former officials in Clinton's National Security office wrote a very informed and convincing article in the New York Review of Books last year about the evidence that led to the decision to bomb it. That evidence, they noted -- and strongly believe -- did indicate that biological weapons were being produced there, but the press, as usual, cynically dismissed the claims made at the time, and many people -- some on this thread -- still reflect the view that the missile attack on the plant was to deflect attention from Clinton's liason with Lewinsky. I think a reading of that article might cause one to rethink their position. I know it changed mine.

Posted by: jerry at May 21, 2003 10:29 PM



Dear Stolypin,

I must point out that, however little I happen to care about the Sudanese, you're off by a couple of orders of magnitude on the death toll from the Al-Shifa bombing.

Furthermore, the rest of your post is quite bilious, and I only make posts that I think will actually change the minds of those who feel differently than I do. After all, what's the point of argument otherwise? When you start throwing around accusations of anti-semitism and such, you only demean yourself.

Notice one feature of McKinney's speech: she does not claim that Mossad was behind 9/11; that was your inference. I fail to see how anyone could believe that 9/11 was not a major intelligence failure, which is hardly a conspiracy theory.

For me, the most poignanat part of her speech was where she talked about the violent racism she and her family suffered through, and the gross inequities still visited upon African-Americans in the U.S. today. I'd strongly advise you to read Ronald Dworkin's piece in the latest New York Review for a balanced and humane defense of affirmative action and indeed any program that fosters much-needed solidarity among historically and currently victimized groups in this country.

I think McKinney's speech should be assigned reading for mandatory diversity-awareness classes in all publicly-funded colleges across the nation.

Posted by: Dr Let Em Lo at May 21, 2003 10:43 PM



Jerry, I will try to find it, read it and digest it, but if you happen to recall or see a link - please feel free to post the link. Thanks.

As to the Sudan/Lewinsky timing - I do not know nor would I allege without more information that this was a deliberate attempt at deflection. Even absent that (and subject to being convinced otherwise) the bombing even without that motive was apalling to me.

Posted by: stolypin at May 21, 2003 10:52 PM



"I only make posts that I think will actually change the minds of those who feel differently than I do."

And you thought your original post would accomplish that? Curious that you find that tone useful in winning converts to your point of view. Have you had much success with that approach?

"I'd strongly advise you to read Ronald Dworkin's piece in the latest New York Review for a balanced and humane defense of affirmative action and indeed any program that fosters much-needed solidarity among historically and currently victimized groups in this country."

Thanks for the heads up re. NYRB. As it happens, I am already quite familiar with Dworkin's work and philosophy after spending more than a semester with him in law school. Quite an enjoyable and beneficial experience. You note correctly his humane and principled approach to affirmative action. However, unlike McKinney, Dworkin's approach to his writing, his teaching style, and his public life carries with it a sense of inclusion not apparent in any statement made by McKinney to a segregated audience or in Congress. As is also apparent from Dworkin's writing, teaching, and life - he is far more interested in objectivity and truth than Ms. McKinney.

"I think McKinney's speech should be assigned reading for mandatory diversity-awareness classes in all publicly-funded colleges across the nation."

I share your hope that Ms. Mckinney's speech is widely read.

Posted by: stolypin at May 21, 2003 11:24 PM



"Congratulations young graduates. Go out and make your impact on the world!"

This finish is almost comical. It's as if she came out of a trance, realized she had been screeching for twenty minutes, remembered that this was a graduation, and threw this in as an afterthought.

Posted by: Sage at May 22, 2003 1:59 AM



McKinney's got this much on Chris Hedges: she at least acknowledged the existence of the graduates before launching the political tirade.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek at May 22, 2003 2:43 PM



I find it very ironic that she gave this speech on racism at a segregated graduation.I guess she thinks it's ok as long as the graduation is seperate but equal.

Posted by: Mark Chaszar at May 22, 2003 2:47 PM



Stolypin:

The article on the Sudanese "aspirin" factory mentioned in my previous post is: Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon, "A Failure of Intelligence?", New York Review of Books (Dec. 20, 2001), pp. 76-80. I think reading it might change your perception about why the site was attacked.

I have the hard copy. I haven't searched for it yet on the NY Review site.

Jerry

Posted by: Jerry at May 22, 2003 4:11 PM



Jerry, thank you. I will look for it. I am always open to changing my mind - and sometimes am actually greatful for the opportunity.

Rgds.

Posted by: stolypin at May 22, 2003 4:16 PM



What to do with someone like this?

Congratulations, you did it!

The best thing to do is give them a soapbox, and then give them a microphone, and make sure it's pugged in to an amplifier driving really big speakers so that everyone can hear every word.

The more who hear, the less important they become. Just ask the Ditsy Chicks ...

Posted by: Steve at May 22, 2003 6:17 PM



The truth points to itself.

Posted by: Kosh at May 22, 2003 10:06 PM



Boy, you never see such a wide range of opinion on left-wing forums.

Posted by: zizka at May 22, 2003 11:14 PM



Anyone notice how she took the (now shaky) BBC article about the rescue of Pvt. Lynch to a whole new level? She added her own ridiculous and disgusting "facts". The BBC report never said, as she claims, that US forces refused to accept Pvt. Lynch's return by the hospital, and deliberately fired on the ambulance so that they could later stage a fake rescue.
Is this woman mentally ill?

Posted by: Rigel at May 23, 2003 2:59 AM



Rigel, partner, did you read the same BBC article I did?

The one I read is available .

These are relevant quotes:

There was one more twist. Two days before the snatch squad arrived, Harith had arranged to deliver Jessica to the Americans in an ambulance.
But as the ambulance, with Private Lynch inside, approached a checkpoint American troops opened fire, forcing it to flee back to the hospital. The Americans had almost killed their prize catch.

Posted by: Arcturus at May 23, 2003 5:28 AM



I still think that the BBC report does not come out and say that the soldiers who fired on the ambulance knew who was inside. Would line soldiers EVER fire on a vehicle they knew was carrying a fellow soldier?
Woefully vague on the key point, isn't it? The ambulance took fire (if you believe the story at all) in a war zone. What a shock. No details whatsoever as to who specifically knew about the attempted transfer of Lynch.

Posted by: Rigel at May 23, 2003 7:41 PM



This Sunday's article on the success of conservatives on college campuses points out that this success seems to have more to do with just sitting there and letting the campus left do what it does and say what it says than with any particular action on the part of the young conservatives. Kinney's comments, and the nature of the event of which it was a part, exemplify this truth, as do some of the sadder postings that sometimes float onto this site.

Posted by: purcell at May 26, 2003 2:24 PM



Correction: McKinney.

Posted by: purcell at May 26, 2003 2:26 PM



Oh, and make that the Sunday New York Times article.

Posted by: purcell at May 26, 2003 2:27 PM



Click here to read the NYT piece on the "Young Hipublicans."

Posted by: Erin O'Connor at May 26, 2003 2:34 PM