March 3, 2009
Students for Concealed Carry on Campus
Just ran across these guys. Newsweek recently featured Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, and gives a good capsule of the group's mission and work:
The group, whose 12,000 members nationwide include college students, faculty and parents, champions legislation that would allow licensed gun owners to carry concealed weapons on campus, in the hope that an alert and well-trained citizen could stop a deranged shooter before he or she could do serious damage. According to the National Conference on State Legislatures, 13 states are currently considering some form of "concealed carry" legislation aimed at campuses. Utah is the group's model; after a state Supreme Court ruling found that the state university had violated a law allowing permit holders to carry concealed weapons, the school agreed that guns could legally be carried on its grounds. Some states, like Colorado, do not explicitly ban licensed students and faculty from carrying hidden weapons onto school grounds, though most universities in such states impose restrictions of their own.There are signs that the "concealed carry" group was making headway even before the tragedy at Northern Illinois. Earlier this month the South Dakota House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to force state universities to allow students to carry weapons on campus, according to GOP state Rep. Tom Brunner. The bill, which Brunner sponsored, recently died in the state senate, but Brunner said he intends to bring it back as soon as he can. "It's not an issue that's going to go away," Brunner said. "We feel pretty passionate [that] students and teachers should have a right to defend themselves, and weapons on campus should be a part of the plan."
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W. Scott Lewis is a board member and spokesman for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. Lewis argues that states with the most relaxed concealed-carry laws also happen to be among the safest. He points to Colorado State University, which has allowed concealed weapons on campus for 10 semesters without incident; the same is true for nine state universities in Utah's system, where concealed weapons have been allowed in university classroom buildings since 2006, Lewis said.
NEWSWEEK's Suzanne Smalley spoke to Lewis about the bill, the tragedy at Northern Illinois University--and his fears that it could happen again. Excerpts:
NEWSWEEK: Why do you think it would help matters if students were allowed to carry guns on college campuses?
W. Scott Lewis: We're talking about licensed individuals age 21 and above, in most states, who have gone through extensive background checks, training, testing, etc. Basically, these are the same individuals who are licensed to carry in virtually all other unsecured locations in these states. By unsecured I mean anywhere where there are not metal detectors and X-ray machines. So you're saying that individuals who are licensed to carry in office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, restaurants, shopping malls, churches, banks, etc.--they're currently not allowed to carry on college campuses for some reason ... College campuses are unsecured locations. Anybody can walk onto a college campus carrying just about anything they please. So what happens is these state laws and these school policies that prohibit concealed carry on college campuses stack the odds in favor of dangerous criminals who have no concern for following the rules.
Lewis says that the "biggest hurdle" right now is ignorance:
There's a lot of statistics out there that show that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than nonlicensed holders to commit violent crimes. You can look at the 40 right-to-carry states with liberal concealed-carry laws, where they have not seen any escalation in gun violence, gun accidents, etc. as a result of allowing concealed carry. There are currently 11 U.S. universities that have for a combined total of 60 semesters allowed concealed carry on campus without an incident. You haven't seen an incident of gun violence, an incident of gun theft, no gun accidents … Although you can't say in any particular situation whether or not concealed carry might have prevented or mitigated a school shooting or a sexual assault or anything of that nature, you can say that allowing concealed carry would even the odds. And that's what this is really about: evening the odds and taking the advantage away from these dangerous criminals.
It's amazing to me how many anti-gun people think they know everything they need to know to justify their position--when in fact they know nothing at all. They have visceral reactions that emanate from their lack of knowledge--they are, in short, repulsed and afraid--and they rationalize their fearful reactions into what they believe to be reasoned, unimpeachable responses. It's shameful to see how many intellectuals engage in such behavior (and it is behavior, not thought)--and so ratify it in others.
Surely the baseline requirement for exploring and debating the issue of guns on campus ought to be informed opinion derived from facts--and not the sort of censorious anxiety manifested by, for example, Central Connecticut State University.
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I don't have a particularly strong feeling about this debate, though I do worry about guns on campus, perhaps irrationally.
I'm not sure, however, that the affirmative pro-guns-on-campus argument is that cogent, either. Can we really say that having concealed weapons will "even the odds," as Lewis suggests? In a shooting spree, does one (or more) person with a concealed weapon, trained in self-defense and basic gun safety but presumably not in SWAT-type situations, cancel out a madman? I'm not so sure. In a sense, the criminal always has the advantage, because he doesn't have to worry about collateral damage—because harming the innocent is his goal.
It's one thing to argue that campuses shouldn't be afraid of responsible gun owners. It's quite another to suggest that guns on campus is the *solution* to the recent spate of shootings.
you're right--it's not a solution to that problem; think of it as an individual solution. a concealed weapon only evens the odds for the person carrying the weapon. in the event of a shooting the carrier would stay put and only shoot if confronted by the shooter. concealed carry is about self-defense, a basic human right. this mindset is key to those who carry.
The problem is that madmen aren't entirely irrational: they can understand that venues which advertise themselves as "gun free zones" are particularly attractive targets.
Nuts though they may be, those with an inclination to indiscriminately kill as many individuals as they can before offing themselves can still understand that such gun-free venues are easy pickings, viz. places where they're unlikely to run into any meaningful opposition.
As an aside — does anyone know of a peer-reviewed study showing that "shall issue" venues see more violent crime than "may issue" venues?
All good points above. I'd recommend that all interested in this issue go the Students for Concealed Carry website to check out the myths vs. facts
area. Statistics relating to minerva's post [above] are very interesting. Of the few schools that allow CC, *none has had a single incident* of violence from a CC holder -- or for that matter the loss or theft of the owners gun. Further, there has never been a school shooting from a non-CC holder.
It was good to see the Supreme Court overturn the Chicago ban today.Reasonable gun control needs to exisit to keep it from being too easy for criminals to get their hands on weapons, but the average ciitzen should never be denied their right to possess weapons.
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